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« Thread Started on Apr 30, 2002, 4:57pm »

This is probably jumping the gun, but what the hell.

Since BGC is like 15 years old do you know if anybody owns the rights to do a live action version?

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« Reply #1 on Apr 30, 2002, 6:00pm »

No, no one owns the live action rights to BGC.

AIC is being very tight when passing out rights to their series. It was a pain in the ass just for JVC to get the rights to the television series. And even then they had to change the character and hardsuit designs, though that was mostly to accomodate Mr. Sonada. (Same may have to occur for the project as well.)

I have no answer's when it come to rights for this project. I don't own them, though I intend too, but for the time being there is no promises. I guess the question is why? Why so much effort and time into this project? Why discuss it at all if the possibilities are near null?

My answer is simple: for the fans.

I may never get the rights to this project, but if I do I want to know what the fans want, their opinions and their ideas. If a studio grabs them before I can, then I hope that they'll consider what is being said here, on other forums, and how it's being reflected on the main site. I want this project to be a success, regardless of who brings it to fruitation, and this is the best way I know how.

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« Reply #2 on Dec 2, 2008, 11:48pm »

Apr 30, 2002, 6:00pm, Avatar wrote:

Why so much effort and time into this project?

My answer is simple: for the fans.

I may never get the rights to this project, but if I do I want to know what the fans want, their opinions and their ideas. If a studio grabs them before I can, then I hope that they'll consider what is being said here, on other forums, and how it's being reflected on the main site. I want this project to be a success, regardless of who brings it to fruitation, and this is the best way I know how.

I added an update that a Singapore company has licensed the rights to a live action BGC. I just felt it was necessary to repeat the above written so long ago. It's still important to me that after six years this project still be a success, especially as we get closer to actual production. I also wanted to make a comment of my own on what news I have read thus far in hopes to initiate new discussion.

The Singapore company who licensed BGC is looking for American studio investments. Early numbers indicate $185 Million for the trilogy. They want both Shinji and Sonada's involvement. Which is great provided the two actually want to be involved. The reason why BGC: Tokyo 2040 even exists is because Sonada refused to allow them to use his character and mechanical designs, which has lead to years of entanglement in court. Now AIC has also announced Tokyo 2041 which ADV has been clammering about for years as well, so it's possible AIC and Sonada may have come to terms on their respective issues. Shinji however is tied to the Appleseed tv series and directing the third movie, so I don't know if he's going to have time to work on BGC. There is obvious influences from BGC in Appleseed as some of his mechanical designs look almost identical to some of the original boomer designs. That being said Shinji is an accomplished mechanical designer himself with several titles on his resume, so Sonada's involvement other than screen credits for original designs may not even be required.

It's obvious that this company wants to cast American actors shooting for a 2011 American release. I have enjoyed a few Korean sci-fi films. One in particular did an amazing job filming scaled models and blue screen shots at Hollywood quality, but with a fraction of the cost and space. The featurette showed just how small the studio was which makes it even more impressive. It's too bad I long forgot it's title or I would have bought it after I rented it. I have long argued on the community site that the best method of filming this project would be a mixture of scaled models, digital mattes, 3D models, and actors. They could even film the actors entirely on green/blue screen ala Star Wars, Sky Captain, or Journey to the Center of the Earth. What it should not do is use 3D animated human characters, except perhaps as background extras. Another film that used innovated adaptation of green screen technology is the French film Immortal. They used green paint and rigging to add 3D models/digital textures to the actors for things like mutant parts, cyborging, makeup, etc. And Will Smith's I, Robot used actors in green suits later replaced by 3D models of robots in post-production.

If Shinji is involved I would prefer he rewrite the story into three continuous ninety minute films, but he has to remain true to the original story especially Red Eye's. Appleseed was close to the original manga with several changes to what the Appleseed actually is. Ex Machina was an entirely original story created by both Shinji and Woo except, despite technical advances, I believe the first movie had a better story. But if the Singapore company was willing to shoot in Vancouver, BC where their is a large Asian population with a growing Asian acting community and affordable green screen studios; film scaled models in Korea; and use Shinji's influences with Japan's Digital Frontier this project could be incredibly successful at half the proposed budget.

My two cents aren't over yet... I am concerned about the first concept art image. AIC has all the concept art they need between the animation itself, storyboards, technical drawings from Shinji, Sonada and others, background art, etc. There are entire books available on the market, all they need to do a grab as many as they can with AICs assistance. There is no need to reinvent the wheel with this adaptation. All they need to do is adapt all the existing material into new formats used for filming discussed above. If they diverge too much it could be disastrous as it may not be recognizable as BGC, but simply "Ironman with four Asian heroines instead of Robert Downey Jr."

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Re: Rights
« Reply #3 on Dec 23, 2008, 8:06am »

Dec 2, 2008, 11:48pm, Avatar wrote:

<snip> I also wanted to make a comment of my own on what news I have read thus far in hopes to initiate new discussion.

The Singapore company who licensed BGC is looking for American studio investments. Early numbers indicate $185 Million for the trilogy.

The only numbers I've seen is $135 Mil for the four movies that Axxis wants to produce in the next few years. And BGC wasn't even the "biggest budget" among those four. So according to that logic the first movie will be lucky to see $30 Mil tops, unless a big hitter gets involved.

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They want both Shinji and Sonada's involvement. Which is great provided the two actually want to be involved. The reason why BGC: Tokyo 2040 even exists is because Sonada refused to allow them to use his character and mechanical designs, which has lead to years of entanglement in court.

But 2040 had the same mechanical designs as before (at least to start with). Was that why there was court involvement with Sonoda? Was it because they used his designs in 2040 without his permission?

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Now AIC has also announced Tokyo 2041 which ADV has been clammering about for years as well, so it's possible AIC and Sonada may have come to terms on their respective issues.

When did AIC ever mention 2041? They did mention some "future" BGC animation productions, but I don't recall ever seeing 2041 specifically mentioned.

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But if the Singapore company was willing to shoot in Vancouver, BC where their is a large Asian population with a growing Asian acting community and affordable green screen studios; film scaled models in Korea; and use Shinji's influences with Japan's Digital Frontier this project could be incredibly successful at half the proposed budget.

I hope you're right about half the proposed budget because that may be all they can get in this economic environment I'm afraid.

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My two cents aren't over yet... I am concerned about the first concept art image. AIC has all the concept art they need between the animation itself, storyboards, technical drawings from Shinji, Sonada and others, background art, etc. There are entire books available on the market, all they need to do a grab as many as they can with AICs assistance. There is no need to reinvent the wheel with this adaptation. All they need to do is adapt all the existing material into new formats used for filming discussed above. If they diverge too much it could be disastrous as it may not be recognizable as BGC, but simply "Ironman with four Asian heroines instead of Robert Downey Jr."

As long as AIC stays in the loop I don't see this happening... unless one of the bit hitters does come into play, and then all bets are off.

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Re: Rights
« Reply #4 on Jan 26, 2009, 1:38am »

Sorry for the late reply. I don't have the time to go back weeks worth of articles to provide sources. I can tell you that the more recent articles I read regarding budgets, concept art, etc. were summaries of the original Japanese texts. Since I don't read Japanese I can't say how accurate the summaries were. As for the issue with Sonada that is information provided by the aicanime.com site admin back in the days of the original aic-int forums in the early 2000s. Those forums have since gone years ago. The biggest conflict with Sonada and AIC in regards to 2040 wasn't the suit designs, but the character designs, however the suit designs are also a modified version of the later designs of the OVA as well. 2041 was also listed as confirmed in an ANN news article around the same time as the budgets were announced.

As I've discussed before a $30M budget could produce a very good film if properly managed.

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